Ring Sends the Police Your Nudes

I warned my parents that shit like this would happen and they got a ring anyways. I, on the other hand, decided to get a dedicated computer and have my own security system with redundant power. If police have a warrant, they HAVE TO come through me to get any footage of mine. This is absolutely disgusting.

Imagine voluntarily getting a Bezos product that records your property inside and out, this is like the ultimate "Whats the problem I have nothing to hide" NPC test.

I feel sorry for the police if they see mine. No-one deserves that.

they gave up unrelated footage from the guy's bedroom (gross, invasive) and place of business (which could expose company secrets, confidential patient info)
he needs to sue the heck out of Ring

Would love a video going over how one might set up a basic home security system that doesn't require the use of outside services like ring or eufy (if that doesn't already exist on ltt, not sure). Really impressed by the setup Linus has at his new house and with all the stories like these, I'm sure many of us would feel better if you could walk us through how to get started on making one for our own places.

I mean. Didn't everyone know that that was what Ring has always been about? They've legit had partner programs with police offices to have police literally give away free Ring cameras so they could get more footage to "help prevent crime".

This seems so surreal to me, this would never happen in germany, privacy and data protection are extremely important here and anything even resembling a police state/surveillance state situation will get shut down very quickly because of our past (both NS and GDR)

Glad I talked my boss out of installing ring cameras at work. Ended up getting a reolink nvr system instead

Even if they're not in the bedroom I walk round the house naked all the time, the expectation of privacy is my entire home, not just the bedroom.

So... can we have Ring charged seeing as they're distributing pornography without the permissions of the actors to persons without age verification?
That's at least 2 charges per instance right there.
Let's get Ring/Amazon put on a registry!

This will keep happening until tech executives fear for their personal safety over privacy violations.

I personally would not put any third party internet connected camera facing inside a bedroom, but one possibly is they might have valuables in there and it's facing the place where they hide it.
The Ring Alarm subscription is fairly ridiculous, it makes the alarm system useless as a internet connected system, if even the most basic functions like arming/disarming/alarm notifications are not included. MyQ for example is well known for nickel and dime moves, but even they include the basic open/close/status for free. I hope this does not start an industry trend.

I'd like to see a video about these solutions. Really want to set up cameras on my property but everything in the news scares me.

This is why I never got a ring doorbell. Long ago I sent them an email request for additional info on how their products work, if they can ever see the footage and if they will ever allow access to the footage to outside parties. They were incredibly cagey about answering those very basic questions and I immediately gave up on ever having their products on my home.

FWIW: Pets is the reason I put cameras in my bedroom in my old place. My dog had a habit (particularly when I was out of town) of standing on my bed and barking out the window at the parking lot anytime someone in the apartment complex came home. I used the camera + barking sensors to check on my dog and to tell her to shush when I wasn't home.
There *are* definitely good reasons to have cameras in your bedroom.
(Also, for a lot of people, there tend to be a lot of valuables, such as jewelry in the bedroom, so it makes sense that you want security in there)

I've been saying this since ring came out. Ring will straight up give your direct live feed over to police and even let them in.

With this ring and eufy stuff, ltt definitely should do a video on better camera services (self hosted options)

Keeping valuables in the bedroom is a pretty good reason to want to have some form of security there outside of a safe (which aren't ever really safe since the best security measure they have is being either heavy or bolted to the ground). Self voyeurism is just a bonus

For a few years I worked at an alarm central station, mostly responding to alarms but had to know a bit of the ins-and-outs of the installations to have a good idea of how things worked and how to fix things when they didn't. Part of coming up to speed on things involved understanding our contracts, which explicitly stated that we have contracts and will cooperate with police and provide them access to whatever they need once verified. Thankfully most of the time they only needed public camera footage or disarms, if anything, but if Ring has this sort of exception written into their terms then I'd go so far as to say that Ring is in the clear here...On the other hand, if they only did it because of warrant/subponea, then there might be a grey area issue here...

I thought about getting a ring camera and after watching this thats a fat pass from me.

ALL of these things should be AT LEAST locally stored and encrypted, I feel like airgapped as well but that obviously prevents video transfer to phone or anything.

This is exactly why I do not have cloud-enabled cameras inside my house. And also why any cameras I built which reside inside the house are on a VLAN with no routing/internet access.

it comes to full circle
or a ring, if you insist

LOL! Looooove that it's so easy to seem like a wizard about this kind of stuff. I said that was stupid and creepy and would absolutely be abused secretly and immediately, when it was first introduced.

Why do people keep buying security from these companies which totally violate your privacy. I understand not everyone can figure out a raspberry pi security system but damn.

I like how Luke is defending one of his team members 🤣

This is why I always tell people to get an old PC and host this stuff themselves, then anything sent to the police is entirely in their control. I would never buy any product that uploads footage from my home to their servers. Also the whole eufy thing could have been avoided if everyone just hosted their own stuff.

Linus is so upright and uppity all the time🤣🤣 you getting upset over that last joke implies you ARE the crazy one there🤣

Maybe do a video on how to setup a closed circuit home surveillance system. I’m looking at the ubiquity stuff but admittedly am a bit overwhelmed.

Ring deserves to be sued into obliteration. This cannot be a “cost of doing business fine”. It has to hurt

Can you guys make a video about your favorite closed loop cameras?

My brother had a break in about 4 years ago, and his wife had all of her jewelry stolen from her dresser in their bedroom. They now have a security system, and it does watch the bedroom at an angle that views where they keep their jewelry, and other valuables. I don't know if they use Ring, but I'm going to have to tell them about this. I doubt they have their own system, so they probably use one of the services like Ring, if not Ring itself.

You should do a video on the best cameras that are not connected to a cloud server

The crazy part is the warrant issued, we don't have the actual document but if it was truly for 'all of his cameras' that should of quickly been thrown out as unreasonable. I could understand if it was a warrant for 'all exterior cameras'

My bedroom has exterior sliding glass doors, I could imagine someone wanting to have a camera in the bedroom looking out trough that.

99 times out of 100 using the cloud is a smooth brained move.

I mean most of my valuables are in my bedroom. Things like my watches/suits and my pc are there since I do not have enough rooms for an home office or a walk in closet. Also if I had to pick I would still trust someone like ring to not screw me over more than an insurance company but that's a pretty low bar especially since it is not that much more expensive to just set up your own cameras when you factor in the monthly subscription garbage security company have.

Letting the giant company see/hear inside my house is something I never cared about, letting the police see/hear inside my house, yeah I'm not okay with that.

I have a security camera set up in my studio apartment, so it’s basically in my bedroom my default, but i also have it connected to a switch so i can cut off power without worrying about any kind of remote overrides.

Multiple reasons to have one in the bedroom.
I have three customers with a bedroom camera that I recall.
#1 has Alzheimer's and the son wants to be able to see if she's ok while he's at work. It has been used to dispatch EMS before when she fell.
#2 has medication that was being stolen and they needed it to find out who.
#3 was renting out a room and wanted to make sure their room wasn't accessed.
There are reasons, but they must be valid as even if legal it's very grey in some states.
Things we won't do. "Hidden" cameras in such areas.

I don't trust companies with any information that I wouldn't be comfortable sharing with a normal relative (like as cousin or something)

Maybe they have firearms in a safe in their bedroom or bedroom closet... It would make sense to want a security camera to watch and see who may break into your room and try to steal your firearms.

I strongly just believe if you’re going to have cameras in your house, just use offline ones that record to an SD card instead…

This is why I only used them as outside cameras.

Eufy sending thumbnails to the cloud because users turned on thumbnails somehow got way more coverage than this. Ring is effectively part of law enforcement now and you spent less time covering it than I spent making some hot pockets

I barely trust my HomeKit Secure Video camera which only points outside and is E2E Encrypted - couldn't imagine having one inside, let alone in my bedroom.

I bought the ring doorbell pre-amazon and it's been a decent device but when I last moved it didn't

Put cameras on smart plugs, have the smart plugs only turned on when you're in vacation mode. This lets you see your place when you're on vacation but then kill the cameras as soon as you're back.

This is why i get my own security cameras 😑😑

Make a video for doing our own secure security systems.

Please post some solutions for self-hosted security cameras that record movement

Ring. Good Idea! The company just burned itself down completely in my eyes!

This makes me now want to get rid of all of my cameras in favor of a CCTV setup. I can't even trust Eufy because even though I don't have their cloud backup, I can't trust that my footage isn't on their servers. Their excuse would probably be "so they can better deliver it to me while I'm not at home" if they did keep some. 16 channel CCTV system may be in my future.

I think paying for BASIC stuff is CRAZY!

Ring could be sued for stupid amounts in the UK and EU for doing this. It's a gross misuse of data and completely against GDPR and UK Data Protection Acts.
I wonder if ring cameras in other counties have clauses in their terms and conditions to allow this use of data or whether these kinds of requests are denied in certain countries.

A camera in the bedroom was useful when we had a baby, definitely didn’t keep it there after we didn’t need it tho.

If there was a warrant signed by a judge, Ring would have had to litigate the warrant. They are not going to do that.
Consumer beware.

Maybe a diy of a how to do a close security cam system?

When are you guys going to make your own tutorial of doing it your self. There is multiple ways of doing, using wifi, telephone, or radio are 3 most common ways of doing it. You can make a system completely offline and still be able notified when a motion is detected by telephone. You make a dual system that both works offline and online at the same time as well. They make dual function cameras that are both hard wired and wireless at that same time.

do you think Siri, Ok google or Alexa don't record anything when not "active"? Do you think they would cooperate with authorities (which can have a very nasty context in many countries) ? Giving them data from when it was "active" or even use it to spy? I always felt typing a few words to look up things is worth not having that stuff.
I personally would not use anythign cloud based that doesn't make sense, is convenient and contains no exploitable data. I think just about the only cloud thing is use is Steam Cloud. And you can toggle that on and off for individual games. But a doorbell? cameras?
Also just generally things that don't have to be online and logged in Should not need to be online. Thinking for example of Razers horrible forced online software crap.

That's why I don't have camera inside my house lol.

I have a camera in my bedroom (cctv) and it’s because the master bedroom has back patio access. So if someone breaks into our house from the backyard, the camera in the bedroom will pick them up after the one in the backyard loses visual.

That ending LMAO

If you have cameras in your house it needs to be on a closed circuit with no internet access.

"There are solutions for this"
Where's that video =)
It's a pain to find cameras that are good and appropriate, maybe you could point us in the right direction!

they need to be sued for that

I have a yi camera in my bedroom, it's right above our child's crib, has 360 degree field of view. Can't wait to switch to CCTV. Though the yi camera is a great alternative to those expensive baby monitor systems.

this will be the demise of ring security once word spreads that they are doing this kind of crap hope he sues them silly

CCTV is certainly going to mean better control over who has access to footage and how warrants are dealt with. It shouldn't be considered 100% secure either though. It should be assumed someone could hack the system, especially if it has remote access functionality. With that in mind it is possible to make a more considered choice where it is okay to have cameras.

If you are recording security footage, its best stored on site on your private property and then also having a secondary backup stored on a secondary site on your own property as well, if you are feeling like a baller that is. My father was a welder and just built a overkill cage 1/2" thick steel cage to put the recording box in on site for his business. Yeah you could spend a few hundred $$$ but you only have to pay that once for a decent system.

Imagine being a consoomer and buying ring and other invasive devices like iPhones

The big companies promised convenience. All you have to do is pay them their subscription fee and with your privacy, that then can be monetized.

In 1984 the camera that spies on you is put in by Big Brother. In 2023 people put the cameras in themselves. I don't know which one is scarier.

I would have sued Ring for breach of privacy and not using common sense, take them to the highest court possible and make an example of Ring, by shaming them publicly.

I have Nest cameras on the outside of my house ONLY because I didn't have the money to install a dedicated wiring job in my walls for POE cameras.. The convenience is good as Nests are wireless, but I would never put them inside my house, even if google is supposedly a little bit better than Ring.

Maybe they have jewelry or other valuable possessions in their bedroom. Very common reason to have indoor cameras.

Maybe this could be an LTT exploring a DIY option?

I have a doorbell and thats it. If I were to get inside cameras I would never trust Amazon with them and would opt to host that my footage myself

Yea long past time for LTT to make a full video about completly selfhosted Camera infastructure

I personally sew a ring cam to the insides of my boxers. There's plenty of room in there.

Well I’ll never get why people need so much surveillance in the US, I’m kinda happy its not a thing here. Also who the hell puts a camera in their bedroom?!

I wouldve thrown those cameras out the moment they told me I had to pay a subscription to use perfectly functioning hardware that I already paid for.

my home camera turns on by itself with its green light blinking, I just face it towards the wall now until I have to go on vacation

I remember you guys did a video rating dashcams a while back: what if you did a similar video, but rating IP cameras and other non-cloud home security systems?
If it were me (and I were lucky enough to be able to afford property as an average person under the age of 40), I'd have a linux box that has no connection to the rest of my home's LAN, connect cameras to that, configure SSH to be secure when facing the outside world (things like requiring key-based authentication, only an account without root privileges being allowed in, and logging so I can know if I've been breached), and expose that one port on my router so that I can then SSH tunnel in from anywhere to check on what's going on. With cameras only facing outside of course

Haven't heard bad things about simplisafe, but it's still someone else monitoring your house.

Had not known this. Now I know never to buy any Ring product. Thanks.

I mean, I can understand it because a lot of people have quite a lot of valuables in their bedrooms.

This is why I'll never have interior cameras

I hate this stuff. When a camera is linked to an outside net you would think that the user should have control and be able to disable features that are legal in the US but not in my place. Troubling silliness for some; a threat to other people.

What’s the best alternative to Ring?

Make sure and show Ring your ring!

Meanwhile here people post Ring camera photos of porch pirates and other schenaniganers on Nextdoor and it's like "welp nothing the police will do, can't even see the license plate of the car that they jumped out of to steal your stuff"

So there's this company called Iris ID. And theyre a facial recognition time clock company with big government contracts. And my job is installing their systems as I write this. (Not a government job) I can't find out anything about them that isn't from one of their corporate higher ups. I feel like I'm going crazy. I can't even find out who buys their data they collect. Because they HAVE to be selling it right?
I don't have a choice in this because I have to clock in and get paid. But theyre gonna have a data breach at some point and all of me and my coworker's biometric data is gonna be out there.

linus i send my police my nudes all the time and they arrest me for it??? am i not doing something right or is it just big corporations getting away with things us little guys cant?

Seriously, at this point security hardware companies that still want to be trusted should add hardware-level end-to-end encryption to all their new cameras, encrypted by the camera driver itself BEFORE being sent anywhere including any local storage, and ONLY the device(s) with the matching key can view. Setting up such a thing wouldnt even be that hard, just require a physical connection from device to device smiilar to how Windows allows you to make a USB "Key" to unlock your machine. the receiving device (phone/tablet/pc) being the main of course, to prevent someone from just stealing one of your cameras and hooking up their own phone to it and getting the decryption key, and *poof* Bob's your uncle and even if the provider DOES go ahead and give the police all the footage from all cameras for an entire day, they can't view them without the owner's device and therefor permission. in cases where police ask for footage from the owner just add a clip & export button. This isn't even a new thing, connected cameras have been a security issue for a looong time (remember IP cameras?) you'd think someone would have thought of hardware-level encryption already.. Also how is this not invasion of privacy? the police arent investigating this person for anything, they should have no right to private video footage of someone that isn't part of an ongoing investigation, whatever judge issued that warrant should be removed from the bench, and pretty sure this person has a valid lawsuit vs the state on this one.

Why would anyone ever put a camera that someone else has access to in their bedroom?!

We've known this for years now, and people keep buying Ring products anyway.

Are RTSP cameras hooked up to OBS more private? Or do RTSP cameras somehow still upload to some cloud server in China?

Oh my god, i cant believe, i am shocked, how can this happen, wow, astonishing

Again, cements why you should never use an 'open circuit' security system. If you are going to have cameras, DO NOT Connect it to the internet. For this very reason. IF the system you want *requires* an internet connection, avoid it.