Pay Up, Hosers

Loving Linus' South Park style impersonation of his own people lol

They tried this in Germany as well.
The people wanting money for this from google collectively backtracked when the law was written into existence and google said:"no more traffic for you!"

Honestly these laws are probably one of the only things that can have me be on the same side as Google. Every single news source makes clickbait titles & thumbnails because they know most of their traffic (and thus revenue) will come from google users, and they still want to be paid for what? Earning money? It's extremely close to that European bill that got dropped that basically wanted to license hyperlinks.

When they did the trial in Australia, I loved having my Facebook cleaned up from so many random news articles and click bait news articles. I could actually see my friends' feeds, which was refreshing.

They did that in Germany and it worked out REALLY well for google. Because every newspaper ultimately allowed google to use their news for free and _ALL_ other news aggregator sites died of because nobody could afford to pay. So now in Germany Google is the one and only news aggregator site left.

I love how governments are only now considering making search engines pay for links to articles when we've already got AIs that will summarise entire articles in simple to understand language without ads or unnecessary SEO padding.

Lol, HEY GOOGLE! YOU HAVE TO PAY FOR SHOWING OUR WEBSITES TO PEOPLE!
Google: OK I just won't show your websites to people.

Even my girlfriend laughed her ass off at Linus's South Park impersonation. Spot on Linus 😂

Linus doing the "South Park Canadian" voice fucking killed me. I love that shit. 😂

I don't get how linking to news sites is somehow hurting them. Unless it's like Linus mentioned where the website is summarizing the article in a way that makes it pointless to read, being able to link to new sites seems like a pure benefit to the new sites. Why should Google or Facebook pay for the privilege of giving news sites traffic. I'm also in the camp of not being able to remember the last time I directly typed in a news websites url. Literally the only reason why any news article gets any traffic from me on any website is because it's being linked to by somebody else.

Linus doing the South Park Canadian voice kills me every time! 🤣

You two have good chemistry. Calling each other out on points, while still maintaining the respect to follow along said point. Leads to good content sometimes, and is much easier to watch than a petty ego battle I've seen far too many times in my recent media feeds.

I would actually prefer it if Google did not serve me any "behind a paywall" news content suggestions to begin with, especially when after the paywall on said news websites there usually is always an excessive amount of Ads anyway.

Luke, we have an aggregator of news, not operated by the government, but National Newswatch is Canadian. Also, the government objective is to throw a monetary bone to journalists, without doing so with bigger subsidies (which they're also doing). Basically, a big problem with print journalism is that newspaper subscriptions aren't selling, and it's difficult or impossible to monetize their website because people can just go to another news source to get the story. So the government wants search engines to pay the journalists.

Literally spit out my drink (my poor keyboard) when Linus went full south park Canadian. Well done sir

The problem is, as always, that the news orgs /want/ these links to exist. It's a /benefit/ to them. They get traffic driven via these links, and that makes them profitable. Charging google for news links is equivalent to charging people for mentioning your brand in word of mouth suggestions. Taking content out is a different animal, but the fact is, it makes no sense to demand that google link these things and then also pay for the privilege. I mean, it's not like any other platform is going to be built around paying for news links. If this happens, many local news sources that get surfaced in searches ... are going to suffer, possibly to the point of destruction of the organizations.

4:10 At this point I avoid most "news sites" because of #1 the "accept our tracking cookie" crap that sets opacity to 50% and takes up half the screen and #2 some sites force you to sign up just to read the article giving them MORE info. Nah. It's irritating.

When will Matt and Trey hire Linus to play himself in a South Park episode

Was hoping this would shift in to a conversation on how ChatGPT will need to shift to compensating sources for the reduced revenue that will eventually come from giving the answer without needing to leave the platform.
I’m not anti news but it’s not like they’d opt out of search results if given the option they rely on it, but would they opt out of AI if the top 5 stories can be summarised and attempt to show differing views removing editorial bias?

Really showing your Canadianism in this title! ♥️

I found a middle ground between disconnecting and endless scrolls and clickbait headliness. I have my few trusted newssources that inlcude paid newspapers. I consume news more deliberately, visiting these sites directly. I ignore google news or any other aggregators.
So in a sense, I’m living in the 90s. Keeps me informed and sane.

Bings moves seem better and better each day. Hope Bing can be more competitive with AI implementations.

Google with no news articles sounds like something I'd actually pay for tbh

At this point, Facebook and Google might make their own news sites, and promote those links instead. Especially if using AI to copy the articles using different words and post a link to the source at the end of the article.

It makes sense to want the companies to license for thing's like Google's answer snippets it shows to your queries sometimes since that's actual content. But a title and a hyperlink doesn't seem a thing to pay a fee for. It may mean that Google needs to stop showing any summary text. Just literally headline, the main picture, and a hyperlink.

This push is going to be ever so important as BingAI and Bard start becoming more prominent.

Since the invention of mass access to cameras, I’ve been incredibly amazed that ‘the news’ is even still a thing.

Being disconnected from the news makes me feel great, nothing to worry about.

If google, FB, Bing, stops linking to news sites, news sites will instantly lose 99% of their traffic.
Let them do it. Bring it on.

Our government has really been working against users best interests lately. I get news websites need to get paid, but by making the news harder to find and access, that is just going to make people less informed
Recently I have seen a lot of changes, especially locally, that seem to be targeted at limiting viewpoints...

Since news orgs presumably can't easily sue search engines for providing article excerpts & links on copyright grounds (or they would have sued already), I guess laws like this are what we get instead? Its stuff like this is why copyright law stays the same and doesn't get updated, for better or worse.

My problem is things are being written to not give the news but to drag out verbal garbage to get you to scroll, just to see more ads. Many of these news organizations dont get my business because of this. So for me, google is not taking away any business I would have given them.

I was thinking about that episode of South Park and taking a drink of herbal tea when Linus quoted it and it made me launch hot herbal tea out my nose. Now my sinuses are burning lol.

Heritage actually funds a lot of festivals and art in various media. A non profit arts society I work for gets part of its funding to produce circus shows and festivals in Vancouver from them.

and then users will be required to pay for Google's services, which everyone uses without knowing it. Someone WILL pay if governments keep doing this, and I guarantee that you won't like it.

Linus’s Canadian voice 😂🤣🤣🤣

It weirda me out that every time this comes up it's only ever news that gets monetized(and even then it's always a subset). If that sort of protection was so important why wouldn't links to *any* website need to be compensated?

The social media and search platforms get away with murder, but the government getting involved with news is a very fine line that needs to be navigated with the utmost respect for the people. In short, I don't like any of the parties involved and wish them all the worse!

You know the media is horrible when you're on Google side on a law Suite

Can we get a full techlinked episode in the South Park Canadian voice please?

Yeah facebook banned _all_ news in Australia while this was going on, including emergency notifications and health directives during a pandemic and cyclone season.

Linus SouthPark canadian language
1:36 We want more money. How about some of that internet money. -Steven Abootman
2:06 Canadians won't be intimidated. At the end of the day all we are asking the tech gigants to do is come to said journalists when they use their work.
4:22 Canada inside news source - the CBC

Interesting how we moved from paying to be in a phone book to list businesses and content, to demanding the phone book pay for your listing...

On point south park parody! God damn Canadians 😂

The law in Australia was only brought forward to parliament as it was shown that Newscorp was going to profit massively from the law, with the individual journalists missing out. It wasn't about paying the journalists profiting from their work, but a worldwide corporation bolstering their profits.

So, news outlets no longer get the free advertising that comes from major search engines, social media, and news aggregators linking to their articles. And this is a good thing how exactly?

I get headlines from social media and google, and if interesting I click-through to the original source. If said source is behind a paywall its an immediatly 'never show me this company again; blacklist.

you should make your own news website called the maple tree

Now I get to move my damn VPN out of canada

"we want............... moar..... moneh"
So glad that reference slipped in

Does Linus not know how to disable Java to get around most news article paywalls?

Sadly all this is to control and sensor information in Canada, yet no one see it.

I am honestly overly curious about this now-are there even any pros on having LMG in Canada? 🤔

I lost it when he pulled that south park Canadaian accent

I collect my news from content creators on youtube primarily. I can't stand news sites or papers, and cable news makes my holes hurt. I tune in to a few sources for an hour, then ignore the rest. far less stressful.

This law seems short-sighted. I doubt it will do anything good for news companies, and its likely to reduce their viewership even further.

The thumbnail looks like Canada pays google and not the opposite.

ANY TIME a search engine is using others content to generate interest for it's advertising they should pay. The only time they shouldn't pay is if the users are paying for the search engine.

News headline: “PLclip blocks Canadian news, and no one cares”. And yes, I’m a Canadian.

I look at it this way, are newsagents required to pay for having the newspapers lying on this shelves, with the front page uncovered? No? Then why would they be allowed to charge Google News to provide links to their websites? Sure, if Google hosted the entire news article, but no, it's just a link to the news website with a headline...

Well, I have RAINews (an Italian public TV news page) as a pinned tab in Edge, so it is always there and I look at it every now and then.

If I want to check the news I check AP and Reuters.

With the current state of the average news website in general, I'd say nothing of value would be lost.

hell yeah canada australia solidarity 🇦🇺🇨🇦🇭🇲🇨🇦🇳🇿

American here, so maybe less-relevant to the issue-but I would personally never seek out news articles by directly going to news source websites. Aggregate feeds are really important to me for getting a concise idea of what's going on. If I had to go out of my way to search 17 different sites with paywalls, I simply wouldn't.

Google could just directly display the text snippets from the news agencies where newspapers buy them from. No need to go through a middle man. Maybe google makes it a paid service for a few bucks per month.
That would make google instantly the biggest news publisher and replacing local newspaper. I am not sure those newspapers are really sure if they want to pressure google into that direction.

Sticking with duck duck go for the foreseeable future. Not been using Google for the past 3 years or so

I never understood why Google should pay.. If anything, the news sites should be the ones paying Google for the increased traffic that they provide for free right now.

if google will not give to me links to news, I have no wish in going to the news sites directly. They could make news for themselves

"Where will you get your news?" Where you supposed to? News portals? You realize they exist, right? That's the base of the whole thing.

As soon as it becomes ‘some people have to be paid, and others don’t’, it’s becomes a way for Canada to
control what outlet gets a voice

Careful or the WGA ( World Canadian Burea) will come after ya!

I've seen Congress and Mark Zuckerberg converse. The Idea that politicians understand technology enough to regulate it, is a serious hoot. There's a reasonable argument that they caused our present problems.

the first time I click a link and not only is the site paywalled but then there are ads visible ont he page, I just block the domain from my google news list.
I'll ignore passive ads on a news site. But I'm not dealing with auto=play videos pop-ups and all that BS.
If all the news on google is from free passive-ad sites, then google will improve.

Google and Facebook should easily be able to thwart this by only serving articles that include a meta tag (the standard for including information on a site meant for other programs) that declares the title and first paragraph as free to embed. That'd leave companies who don't want their articles embedded on sites without reimbursement free to make that restriction, it would also default on the side of caution for any sites that don't declare either way, and I'm certain 99.99999% of outlets would include the tag because they'd see that honestly Google and Facebook aren't taking advantage of these news sites and in fact are doing them a service by serving news article hooks as basically free advertising that directs people to the news sites.

I may just create my own Google News clone and make it decentralized just an FU to Canada. I will also use Cookies to thumb my nose at the EU.

1:38 I swear Linus’s head just split into two parts

Google should just open their own jernalism departments. I dont want anything to do with 99% of media outlets anyway

Well when a news "article" is just one sentence that is already in the head line...

Isn't this technically what was proposed with the rss feeds back in the early 2000s just to the extreme literal sense.

The news sites can use the search engine's crawler user agent to prevent the search engines from using/indexing the content they don't pay for.
The sites do not do this, as they rely on the search engines clicks for their income.
So they have the ability to make search engines pay for using their links, but do not do this as this makes them more money and now are trying to lobby in new laws to extort money from their most important source of income.
Well played, search engines will just de-prioritise these sites if they are incentivised to do so, letting sites that deserve the users gain them.

“On the wan hand” hahaha. Lols™®©. I can’t be the only wan to hear that. (And his South Park Canadian is funny haha.)

2:08 TL;DR: If its to compensate journalists, then each journalists had better get every cent the government is charging the company for
Canadian government claims its about making sure journalists are compensated, but I think its obvious that's not how it'll work, especially in light of their standards for media "being Canadian enough".
I feel its self-evident that governments don't tend to appropriately compensate a person when they intervene and charge money for said persons property, services, or time, that the government does not own
And keep in mind this isn't even a tax, so I'm not speaking against taxes. In fact if it were legislated as a tax I would be less concerned, and would expect more fair structuring.

Google playing though guy with my country’s government… the fact that a company has so much power is a problem

It is ludicrous to expect people to pay for news when confidence in reporting integrity is so low.

Google and Facebook should pay news outlets for making them content.

only news I consume is Sir Swag's "This Month's News Without The Bullshit"

I think Google is fully entitled to tell any story. The are even allowed to link to a story.
What they can not do without compensation to chatgpt is produce a derivative extract that can be consumed by itself.
This is what I curreny have against chstgpt. All your years of careful concise tech articles are read once. The contents somewhat understood by the machine and then doled out without restrain or compensation.

C'mon now guy, be a buddy, buddy. Give us some money friend. Be a pal guy.

I don't know that this is the best way to do it, but it's a positive thing, I suspect.
1) Reading just the headlines is the worst way to consume news, and is the most likely way news is consumed on aggregator sites. Why is it bad? Headline: "This was totally unjustified, bystanders say." Article: "Although the court concluded that it was totally justified, some bystanders, who didn't have access to all of the information, are saying otherwise." -- The headline gives you the impression that it was unjustified, yet there's an entire court case that decided it was. News outlets do this all the time.
2) News outlets that serve free content used to survive off of ad revenue. But since Google can not only snatch their headline, it can also pull the entire article if it wants -- or at least a summary snippet -- journalism now has all the less way to make money. I honestly don't know what the best way to fight this is, but making aggregators pay for consuming the things they aggregate seems like as decent an idea as any.

Linus could do a Canadian voice for South Park, and we'd never know the difference until the credits.

As a Canadian then, I'd just get to Reddit instead...still not making money for the newscorps of the world.

Australia is NOT home to Rupert Mudoch. He hasn't been an Australian citizen since the mid 80's. He 100% American now.

They want their internet monayy

I definitely think it’s a valid response from google. I hope they do this. Most news sites in Canada are pretty sad.

Making money is an action. Keeping money is behavior. Growing money is knowledge..

I don't look at it much anymore but I have a bookmark to the BBC more its World coverage. No other direct links.

Of course Canada gooses should be included in Canada’s heritage, majestic creatures they are. And if you have a problem with Canada goose you have a problem with me and I suggest you let that one marinate 😂

Glad I'm not Canadian. I like my free news headlines.