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We Get Oiled Up For AMD
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- Opublikowany 6 mar 2023
- Linus and Luke give an update on the AMD Challenge, including whether or not Luke will use mineral oil to cool his NAS.
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That's actually a brutal offer lmao "I'll give you a 4090 10900k system, entirely for free, but it will be soaked in oil and you have to daily drive it"
@꧁GlorifiedGremlin꧂ you can edit your comment to change it to 13900k but possibly edit it to Ryzen 9 7950 x3d lol
@vakdjfnfielcnsjao Right after you do an office pop
@JellySword it’s a peacock, leter fly
I would take it any day.
At this point, the monitor should also be mineral oil cooled
Submerged
Or heated
@iKidTutor NO SWEAT, JUST OIIIILLLLLL
As well as mouse and keyboard. For optimal performance
Linus: "I will keep rewriting the rules to make sure you're not eligible for an extreme tech upgrade"
Also Linus: "I'll do you a home upgrade, but it all has to be mineral oil, deal?"
Honestly, do it with a normal tank.
3D prints, make a backplain, whatever. You have the team to make a custom build possible. Make it more accessible if you plan on doing another mineral build.
I feel that's much better then the patent troll locked down cases that are left.
@Ping would get way to thick to pump
How about pumping the tank oil through a chiller 👀
So many awesome looking aquariums too chose from. Why would one need one specially made for PC?
submerge open bench into normal tank and use oil radiator, than a regular one, because oil too thick for normal rad
It wouldn't be a patent troll case though it's one they already have from Puget. That said I think a custom set up with an external radiator might be the way to go, get a small pump made to move the more viscous fluid to increase the surface area, those old systems were only really made to handle a few hundred watts I don't think one of those could handle 1000W system power.
Since there are two tanks, Linus or Jake might as well daily drive one too.
@vsDarling they could fabricate more tanks in their shop and have 4 tanks. They could even make 4 tanks so Jake can have a set too.
no Linus said if Luke would have mineral oil cooled PC he would also have mineral oil cooled NAS so one tank for PC and one for the NAS
I mean they have cnc mill. They can just mill themselves acrylic plate and convert any aqaurium to it
This 💯%
YES!!!!
Luke's "homework" folder must be absolutely massive for him to need all these drives
@BSHDBCG you might be right indeed
Sure it isn't a blackmail folder at this point? 😛
It's funny that the one thing Luke didn't lie about during his job application and got him his nickname: His mineral oil cooled PC that got him the nickname "Slick", is something he no longer wants.
is that why he had the handle early LTT days? i never knew that. i knew the story of how he got a job but not the nick name lol
That video is exactly the kind of content I would love to see...it's almost an impossible build in 2023 because nobody does oil cooling anymore. I love those crazy projects! Do it Luke!
Classic win - win. Linus wins, the audience wins, and Luke, well I just hope that thing doesn't spring a leak 🤣
Maybe we can fill a giant open cloth container with hot air and it will have enough possitive lift force to carry a not insignificant ammount of weight underneath, in a basket of some sorts. And we could use it as means of transportation.
@Mike Yrt no
@SkeptiSquid Does a 4090 make enough heat to lift itself?
hot air balloon pc when
We could make it super colorful, too.
Andrei Rublev (1966)
Dude you guys have a CNC mill and CNC router you guys can fab up your own tank now. It's not that big of a deal.
A short apprenticeship in plumbing and instrumentation would blow linuses mind and change this channel
Actually it would be a fun experiment so I hope Luke will do it. Since I haven't seen any mineral oil in like a decade. Slick ftw!
I was literally driving home a week ago and thought about doing a mineral oil cooled PC for myself, and flashed back to your orig oil rig. I'd love to see you guys do another one and share the parts you can currently find
Do it!. Helium filled hard drives should work as well. Submerging them in oil would look very crazy and it should work.
Just to let luke know dual 1080's have 360w tdp (for both in total) and a 7900xtx is a 355w tdp
One idea would be to buy full AMD immersed in oil and have a backup no oil system ready to go.
First to give up and get the backup would have to do a dare.
To avoid cheating, one LTT employee of trust would get the keys to unlock the backup system, so it stay where it is unless someone gives up.
Luke literally evolved his trademark laugh
I never heard about the patent being claimed for the mineral oil pc concept. Apparently some company claimed the patent in 2012 (which is expected to expire in 2027, according to Google) and now you just can't do that anymore.
Patents are just as broken and shit as copyright is.
@youkofoxy I think its 25 years after the copyright owner has died, but I'm not sure how it is with companies.
@youkofoxy Copyright isn't eternal. See for example, happy birthday (used to be walt disney IP (who would have guessed?))
Only difference is that one expire in a life time... the other is pretty much eternal.
That deal between Luke and Linus is very Lion King, where Scar promises the hyenas "stick with me and you'll never be hungry again!"
Fluorinert evaporates pretty quickly. You end up topping off quite a lot per year. Completely sealing it (except for a expansion release) can be difficult. It also doesn't play well with plexiglass, o-rings, rubber, or pvc/soft tubes (standard PC watercooling flow meters stop spinning quickly, too). You have to use the lab-grade platinum cured or glass tubing. The older Eihem pumps don't circulate well for it, either. It also floats on water, so make sure no water gets in there... it'll end up floating on the bottom and is not only difficult to remove, but it's water - so things start to not play well. Go ahead - ask me how I know. lol
put the tank into a larger empty tank so a leak won't kill your flooring.
i always thought of a hermedically sealed pc case, with a co2 (maybe argon) atmosphere using a couple rads to pull the heat out. there would be a penum under the mobo tray with fans, rads and dessicant filters to scrub moisture. air would be pushed over the mobo and other warm components in wind tunnel fashion. plenum rads would work in reverse with cold flow to cool the internal ambient gas. the cpu and gpu can have their own blocks which also are on the cold side with the plenum rads. the hot flow goes to a chiller. problems with moisture are eliminated by running the computer a while to force as much air through the dessicant as possible. to suck every last bit of moisture out of the case. the cooling can then be set very low. the case would be positive pressure to keep ambient air out. hopefully the end result is vasaline free cryocomputing.
get a small chest freezer and a thermostat to control it at specific temps fill with your oil of choice, pc and nas. DO IT!
Might be worth doing, should be a pretty silent system.
You've seen the mineral oil PC, but its time... for the FLUID COOLED NAS!!
DO IT! DO IT! :D
PS: Leave the case in a bin or big plastic container, no leaks ;)
Yes another oil PC. I remember that the first time around
Are the HDDs not liquid proof?
Because the oil would actually
dampen the vibrations from the
disks and make it more quieter
@2ndcitysaint52 Luke wasn't specific about exactly how much storage capacity he had between those drives currently in his system, I agree that 100tb isn't comparable but he may still need quite a few very expensive sata or NVME ssds in order to match his current capacity if he does have a couple 12TB HDDs just as an example. He said he also had 3 SATA SSDs already, so looking at the maximum he would be looking at 9x 4TB SATA drives plus 1x 4TB NVME drive, or possibly 7x 4TB SATA drives and 3x 4TB NVME drives if this new motherboard has capacity for 3x M.2 drives. Thats not an insignificant cost at all, given that 4TB NVME drives average around $600 at the low end, and SATA are $300-400 at minimum (good drives from the likes of samsung are almost the same price as the NVME drives, 8TB drives cost far more), not to mention having more drives in total means requiring more SATA ports on the MB, and finding a solution to mount them on or in the oil filled PC. He obviously needs the storage for more than games, so an alternative like this may not be possible. I can understand the sentiment of wanting to move away from spinning disk storage, but they still are very much necessary from a non-gaming standpoint, and Luke does more than game on his home PC.
@F LOL your comparing solid offerings from say Seagate hard drives to Crucial SSDs? A brand that I've watched as they fail just barely outside the warranty constantly? I'd never in a million years trust my data on a Crucial SSD even with RAID.
Regardless though why the fuck would I spend more on storage (which you will for a decent SSD at 12TB) than you would on say the CPU and motherboard combined? Especially if you know that what your storing doesn't need to be ultra fast?
@tankerkiller125 Multiple thousands of dollars for 12 tb? If you're paying that you're getting ripped off hard
@Lonely Potato you aren’t the person they are talking about this is a conversation about a personal/gaming pc not some prosumer who needs 100 tb of space lmao your use case is incredibly niche, I know context is hard
In the Navy when someone else pointed out when someone got a good deal, we called those people "good deal haters". Because, all it did was take away the good deal from the other person and everyone was in a worse situation. Just like you pointed out with the mouse. So, when someone else gets something good, keep your mouth shut, so that when you get something good it is also not taken from you.
I see Luke running a full submersion case, sitting in a kiddie pool under his desk. Lol.
LTT NEEDS to do a 2 phase coolant submersion build. I looked into this some time ago and found out there is a certain coolant form 3M that boils at 38c. Meaning because it evaporates and condenses at such a low heat comparatively to something like traditional single phase coolant, (Which won't be boiling in you want your electronics to live) It will straight give you massive gains. Considering everything is an exposed die at this point in submersion cooling, you could cool *multiple* 4090's and top CPU chips in capacity of your old Mineral oil cases! For real. The only issue however is condensing fluid, but you have the labs for that so.. Engineering!
Here me out, small chest freeze as the case plugged into a thermostat with the probe in the oil. Add a circulation pump or 2 and maybe vent out heat from the chest freezer's radiator.
do the oil PC his work PC and do a time-laps of it and you can make maintenance videos easier
Luke comes back after checking on the tanks and "somehow" it fell out of the window and now can't be fixed
You have the equipment and engineers to make your own case
Actually using a subzero cooling with a "oil" pc might make liquid nitrogen usable for a daily driver
I mean, if datacenters are going to run immersion cooled 24/7, then it's good enough for your system, eh? 😅
put that rig inside a growtent and with a inline fan and some pipe direct that airflow :)
someone really needs to check lukes hard drives lmaooo
Luke mineral cooled pc and nas, go for it I wanna see it.
Picked up a 6750xt at $429 because it's the only sub $600 AMD card that will fit in my define c. The 6800xt was $579 but the very large xfx card (which is a good version) was only available and wouldn't fit. Rather just turn on FSR 2.0 the highest fidelity setting and buy some games. If I also got a case, I may as well had gotten the 6950xt but then I'd wait for the 7900xtx to come in stock.
To be fair, the 6750xt is no slouch. Running ps3 emu with it flawlessly even on games labeled "in game".
@Elon Tusk Plaid Only danger is getting one with the bad vapor chamber. Otherwise, I think the hellhound is the next smallest followed by the asrock phantom gaming.
@Nathan Trinh A 6700xt at the price is an absolute steal...good find! I kept eyeing out a reference 7900xtx but alas it was consistently sold out.
I'm hoping price cuts will come around the next few months. I realized I don't play intensive games that much so sold my rtx 3080 and grabbed a used 6700xt for $220 to hold me over. If a used 4080 or 7900xtx shows up at around $800 sometime, I may jump on that.
Ohh, do a custom tank with a "floating" PC.
Instead of mounting the motherboard to the tank, tie fishing line from the motherboard to small floats so that the PC can move about in the oil.
YES DO IT I NEED THE LUKE PC UPDATE
the new coolant is pretty baller. bitcool/electrocool is nontoxic and biodegradable into water while being pretty smaller to water thermal conductivity. ladys and gentle man. we got him
I relate to Luke with "I have a lot of things"
Luke should do it if linus does it make it a challenge vid lol
I joined the stream midway through this video and was VERY confused. Now it makes sense lol
Since this is AMD; 7900XTX (fans removed for the "fluid") and the new 16 core X3D with a noctua tower.
Pump the oil pc case liquid through an external chiller
“you have a nas…yup” 🤣🤣
Hey, if Luke won't do it, I'd be a willing guinea pig.
If Hasbro was smart they'd sponsor this with a phyrexian theme.
Fluorinert is going to be phased out by 3M in 2025, same with novec wich we are currently using.. and yes its pretty expensive and im glad im not the one paying for it ;)
Its a few 100$ CAD per gallon
I wall mounted my case so it's like almost 2 feet above my head on the wall behind my desk. Prior to that I had a giant corner desk with the overhead storage and stuck my old case behind my monitor. I'll never put a PC on the floor.
You have a lab, engineers, and fabrication tools, build it yourself.
How much heat would two 1080 TI's really output? Because how often would both be used at 100% lol
Just buy a large tower case and shrink wrap it to hold in the liquid! 🤣
that's not how that works
Oh Luke HAS to be part of the build
Honestly I could see a modern high end GPU putting out more heat than two GTX1080s.
They've gotten so absurd by both companies.
It's not so much that "hot air rises" as it is cold air pushing the hot air upwards.
Please tell me what the fluid is.
I have been researching fluids for a month.
The flouroinert is the only one I discovered that is actually aquarable
Luke needs it for all his corn hahahahaha
One word: undervolting. And your cooling issues are gone. 😊
Yeah I recently got a 7900XT and the temps have been pretty good for me overall, keeping under 75c at max load and 80c junction, its doing better than my old 1080. But I still went ahead and undervolted. Given that its literally a 1-click process in Radeon Adrenaline the fact that he hasn't done it is a bit silly, it couldn't be any easier.
I would love to see them build a system with kerosene instead of mineral oil.
lol I can relate on the drives, I have 3 2.5 inch ssds, 2 hdds, and 3 nvmes.
Linus had access to the 4080 decades ago confirmed, hes a time traveler
A oil 🛢️ filled gaming table made in house (poor Alex). Whit a fluid heat exchanger as one leg (think resident evil tube). And a air cooled car radiator for water cooling the heat exchanger. Might as well build a RGB litt tube that flow's the oil from the heat exchanger in the leg to the farthest end of the table. And let the oil flow like a waterfall in the table down to the heat exchanger leg. I see a old jukebox combined whit a river flow table. Standing on a barrel big resident evil virus tube Water/oil heat exchanger as one leg. And a big ALU radiator cooled by a big slow turning silent fan as the other leg.
There's plenty of akvarium builders out there. To get inspired by and do a collaboration with.
oil cooled computer = The LTT poutine maker!
Luke, Luke, Luke...
As a wise man by the name of Shia LaBeouf once said:
JUST.. DO IT!!
Are they doing it? Is there any update???
why not just buy a bigass fish tank and reinforce it a little? can't be that hard. and modifying i'm sure would be good content in itself.
One thing I hate with the new cards compared to the old gpus is old gpu sucks air from inside and vents outside and new cards vent in the case which is stupid
@COOKIEspace I did have a asus gtx 960, msi 1060 and 1070 which all vented out the back. Which was great. But my msi 3070 vents inside which was horrible on my last nzxt case that had bad air flow. The heat would just sit in the case. Fixed now with. A new case but still rather it vent out the back.
This was only the case with the reference designs. The custom designs were venting inside the case for years back, so it's not really a change. Also, typically the custom design were cooler than the suck-through designs so it doesn't seem to be that stupid. Just have a normal outgoing fan in your case and you are fine
Hot air rises! Next up, the Chimney Effect!
Luke is such a data hoarder. 🤣
Luke, I also have a Linux distro collecting problem.
#datahoarders
Where's the millennial pause? Did Linus cave? You said you cared, Linus.... you said you cared! :'(
Destiny is in everything.
yeah huge NAS, full of legal stuff.
You should honestly make it an oil rig PC. When I say oil rig I mean like you use mineral but literally make the fucking PC look like a oil rig out in the middle of the ocean that would be amazing
I was wondering if this video from the title should be on only fans 🤣🤣
I hope I don't break Linus brain, but Heat or hot air does not rise. In reality what's happening is that the cold air is pushing it up.
The dodginess about why he needs like 30TB of personal storage at home is creeping me out
Admitting to/endorsing piracy in front of millions of people probably not a good business idea.
"It's a grower, ok????" 🤣
yeah, AMD is still hot. my zen3 CPU is hot, even with top notchNoctua cooler. yet my 3080 stays very cool in the same case, and the airflow is great, too.
@DaLZy well obviously, you said it yourself. It was a blower, it blows. Never EVER buy blower design GPUs, that's a good rule to live by.
In fact, the one and only dogshit gpu i ever had, was a second hand blower style r9 280.
And similarly, my blower 3070 was so hot it burnt parts of its die brown.
My system pulls 104 amps at 1.4v at full load shit must be glowing inside the cpu.
9:33 i heard sinology sells a DAC as a expansions to their NASses so You could add More Bays with it Or build a entirely new NAS for him.
AMD is the best deal for normal gamers IMO. Ray-tracing is really unnecesary so no point in going Nvidia that costs extra.
@Klyptics I will say, after experiencing Cyber Punk in full ray tracing glory I was completely underwhelmed. I think ray tracing is bogus. That said, I think nothing compares to DLSS. It's an amazing technology.
@waakow no ray tracing on team red because most people won’t use it and if they do. they won’t notice if it’s on or off
@fanfanboy yeah makes such a huge difference
At 1440p, you really need a 4080 in order to enjoy ray tracing at all. And while reflections are great, shadows usually have the most issues. Makes hair shimmery and sometimes fuzzes the outlines of shadows. The software side of RT is getting better though due to consoles and AMD so hopefully the reliance on RT hardware will be less with future titles. I'd give it another generation or two for it to be viable at the 60 series level of gpu.
@dang dude dan steam decks are currently completely incapable of ray tracing, there's a beta that enables it on doom eternal but otherwise the option is not available in games
I'll take the pc if Luke doesn't want it and I'll daily drive it
Luke: Yo ho, yo ho, a pirate's life for me.
NAS for his HDDs ;)
So, is it porn, or a mirror of the entire piratebay archive?
Mineral Oil petabyte nas for luke???
Nah that don’t sounds like an Linus or Luke problem.
Its sounds like a Lube Problem.
Oiled up pc 🥵
I have eight 14TB drives in my Synology 1821+ lol
Do it Luke!
Oil cooled pc with a chiller
The Toxic Office Avenger.
What’s Luke hiding?!?!?!
Prawns
DO IT! DO IT! DO IT! DO IT! DO IT! DO IT! DO IT!