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AMD lied...but Intel Xeon is saving the day!!
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- Opublikowany 29 mar 2023
- Intel Re-enters the Prosumer/Small Business workstation processor market with the Xeon W-2400 and W-3400.
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I would love a video on total price of all active hardware but too many morons don't realize it is a business expense.
Not just a business expense, but necessary for business. We have to remember that lmg is a business. It would also likely help them find a lot of wasteful spending, or spending that could have been done more efficiently.
Which doesn't really mean much anyway
I think Linus pays way too much attention to haters. There's absolutely no way to silence those people
Yeah I think it’s really silly for him to get stunlocked on the money stuff. He’s obviously talking in relative terms. a $75 quality mobo is objectively cheap compared to most others. $300 ram is objectively expensive compared to most others. idgi
He does the exact same thing he complains about, just to people that have *more money than him*. Every leftist does this, they just draw the line at whatever amount of money they have. He's doing fairly well, so he focuses on Elon, for example. But it's not different.
And after 20 years we will buy it for 50 bucks from aliexpress.
I whait to chinas cpus, u will upgrade to Shenzen x4D Quantum Ultra
@EaqIe originally that was a comment to point of a typo
but I left it because right now Intel is trying to sell features after it already sold the chip (some unlockable idiocy), so it works as a joke that we will be renting chips and not buying them.
@Edgar Kondrakov you made a claim about the future when you said 50 bucks in 20 years, but when I do it, it’s a problem? Lmao
In 20 years consumer chips will be better and cheaper
You guys should do a video instead where you total the number of CPU cores, gb of ram, cuda cores, terabytes of storage among your workstations and you can do it with a script on each machine
I do think how much raw theoretical computational power lmg has is for sure gonna fly better with most people than total MSRP
The science research aspect is huge for smaller schools. My Physical Chemistry professor used an array of over a dozen 2012 Macs to run Sim software. All that could be replaced by a single midrange workstation, reducing complexity while probably increasing performance. This kind of tech saves labs hours of time every week. It changes the scope of research projects and the quality of their data since they can run more duplicates with my parameters. I would've killed for this a couple years ago
I really enjoy when LTT does budget stuff. There's gonna be people that are unhappy with everything.
However, I'm constantly looking at the best option for lots of stuff (USB-C to 3.5mm, lighters, drives, TVs, monitors, phone chargers, ect) I actually trust LTT. Having them navigate products even if they're something as little as a USB-C to 3.5mm it really helps me out. Especially with the flood of junk on Amazon. I'm all about the best quality for the money, but only getting something that's like 5% better for 65% more cost doesn't make sense to me. I don't want to pay for the name on the product. I want to pay for quality and good customer care.
AMD did what Intel would have done in their situation.
They are both corporations who don’t care about you just profit. It’s frustrating but same on red green or blue sides of the tech tree
@Alfa ProtoI’m not surprised - it’s not being ‘evil’ just seeking profit at all costs & hoping people will take it (they have so far from all all colours). AMD are no more evil as you put it than the rest
You may be correct, but that does not mean we should not expect them to care about consumers. When people celebrate AMD "caring" about their audience, celebrating that behavior is a good thing. We don't immediately cynically say "they're just doing it to manipulate you into buying their products", we mark it as something good.
Because when we respond to all good and bad actions of these companies with "they're corporations who only care about profit" we open the doors for that to be an excuse for their anti-consumer behavior. We should expect Intel, AMD, NVIDIA, Microsoft, Google, Amazon, Apple, EVERYONE, to care about their consumers over a relentless drive for profit, even if that will not happen soon or at least easily.
To find the cost of all your workstations, do you not have some inventory software that can output hardware and components into a database for you? You could export to excel and add a pivot table for the cost of each part to give you an overall total and a individual break down of each workstation
Na that would be too easy. Linus primarily does these extravagant project videos to help build his business on super expensive stuff that he gets for free via "sponsorship". Those videos just come off as flashy, annoying and hardly useful.
Super excited for this. Have been looking for a pile of pcie lanes, for my next cpu and intel has delivered.
I wanted threadripper for home lab stuff, I don’t need a server chip but want some more pci lanes for deep learning
X670E any good?
Exactly the same here. I want the platform and the IO not necessarily 24+ cores
It would be interesting to know, because it shows what kind of expense is needed to set up like you guys have, but then you could make it actually useful by including upkeep costs, replacement drives, PSU's, working out costs due to when you upgrade components and how often etc.... laptops the same..
Hey guys. Longtime subscriber to the main channel.
I last built a system for myself in the WIndows 2000, WIndows XP days. Could you provide a rundown on the differences between the processor classes. Server vs. Workstation vs. Mainstream class processors. What the differences and benefits are between each?
That all depends on if you want it for work or for hobby
I loved your openness about everything, it's a shame you're going to do it less
I had a 12 year old PC, with an x58 motherboard, I got a Xeon for like 30 bucks to replace the second generation i7 that was in it - It was a lifesaver.
I have been waiting for a PC with more lanes than my X79. that has all the latest stuff gen 5 and what-not.
Finally An upgrade I can get behind.
I would love for amd to bring threadripper back and replace threadripper pro. I believe they could re release threadripper with two chipsets an expensive one that fully unlocks all the professional aspects and a trimmed down chipsets for enthusists and people who don't need the full. In other words I believe they should have one chip line and two chipsets one for threadripper and one for threadripper pro.
I could definetly see a tiktoks/shorst/reels about the price of LTT's hardware that's in use performing very well. Even separating them by use or department and making it a series like "how much does our editors work stations cost" etc, tiktok audiences would be more tolerant of it since there's tons of content I've seen like that on the platform already.
I love the commentary you guys provided and the recent video regarding Intel Xeons, but I'm wondering how on earth the older video about Threadripper non-Pro was made when that goes into detail (in my opinion incorrectly) about how 16+ cores and more than 24/28 PCIe lanes aren't necessary for even home server usage. It's kind of ridiculous how the same person on the same channel is getting excited about HEDT and workstation platforms being supported by Intel/AMD, while ALSO making a video about how we should re-evaluate our needs for HEDT CPUs and, more importantly, argue for why HEDT is dead and seemingly support the reasons behind it.
For a general viewership video, just adding up how much all of your stuff costs would definitely be flexing. But you can make a floatplane exclusive for people who are just generally curious about your channel and already fans
A floatplane video like that would definitely incentivize me!
The problem with the money videos is there’s no way you can possibly cater to every persons opinion. On a recent zach’s tech tips video, the comment section was in a war over what classifies as a budget pc. I remember years ago when you had those money per dollar gaming pc’s you guys took to ltx and the athlon 3000g review, low spec gamer made a whole series of videos explaining how your perspective (Canadian based Ltt writers) was uneducated on how the rest of the worlds economy works. Every time ltt makes a used part video, Brian from tech yes city and any used parts enthusiast will expose why the videos are flawed.
Except the mining gpu video, that was good.
@Santiago Finamore yeah. I think they just need to do more research half the time
People just want to be angry at things I guess, tbh it kinda sucks to me that we're missing on some legitimately fun video ideas because some people are hyper-touchy when it comes to pockets
since you have more than 100 machines, don't you have some sort of management or monitoring software which maybe can do this task "easily"?
I know that 16-20 lanes is gonna be enough for most people but it isn't enough. I spent good money on this i9 10850k and I have 16 lanes, 1 gpu and I'm done. That and ECC support, by all rights my dual E5 V3 server is much older and has more things that can go wrong, but in comparrison to my much newer (non-overclocked) rig it's rock solid stable.
So I'm compromising on memory bandwidth by not running XMP on what is already 2 channels of RAM, and only 1 of my storage drives is NVME, and I have onboard audio that can't drive my high impedance headphones adequately, most of the USB ports on the board are full, the onboard 2.5g networking is buggy but adding another card runs back into lanes, and the fact that it's a K sku means nothing because it runs hotter than hades with a 360 rad so even if I wanted to put in the energy to tune it I'd have to tune it down... It's like, I spent way to much money already to have this much compromise. I was looking at doing a what would be a downgrade for gaming to an E5 V4 xeon until I found a relatively decent deal on a 3647 board combo and now that's been ordered.
I honestly feel like the regular consumer standard (or at least some kind of enthusiast mid point) by this point should be 3 memory channels and 36 lanes like Westmere Xeons had.
Linus does AMD exterme upgrade series later and then says AMD lied about a product, this guy got lots of balls.
I always love the two different camps who come out of the woodwork whenever LTT makes a statement about money. I’ve recently had several people pounce on a comment I made about how much prices have actually come down relative to decades ago, because clearly since CPUs aren’t now down to $2 a pop, the prices are getting too expensive, despite the fact that for many things they’ve gone from several thousand dollars for a home computer to several hundred dollars when adjusted for inflation, and if you go back further, going for many thousands of dollars in today’s money. 🤣
It's not "flexing" when you are doing it through a sponsored video just to get free stuff. The videos I have a problem with are when you show off some extravagant project that no one could possibly afford and you are doing it because it benefits only your business and it's all free to you through "sponsorship".
Threadripper was the reason I got my IT job. I'm still furious they dumped enthusiasts on the curb
How'd the chip get you the job? No hate but genuinely curious
wouldn't that video idea just be a normal business inventory audit? XD
Just make any video you want, you can't please everyone on a platform like PLclip. Everyone has an opinion and generally they're honestly bad. People get offended by literally everything too. You'll find trolls and haters all around. You guys are one of the only tech channels I watch because Linus actually has a good head on his shoulders and makes sense 9/10
The point is from my perspective that if you make the enthusiasts angry you will sell less from you consumer Hardware, because this are the people who are building for example the PCs for normal people who just want a custome computer for example.
didnt amd basicly confirm the 7xxx threadrippers?
A new $6000 cpu
So very exciting for dozens of people around the globe.
As a content creator that likes to make Xeon content....I can't wait for these to hit ebay in 6-8 years for $40-$50!
Start to finish well said.
It's a shame with the money stuff. I think most people that complain about that from the perspective of "oh that's so cheap for me/you" even if it's $700 or "$75 for a motherboard combo that's so expensive for me" is pretty immature. I think we should know how relativeness works by now
i hate this beeps 🥴but this is good i finally can consider to buy something more relable for computing
Don't they have an inverntory system where they track every single component in every single maschine? Why would they need a person to go aroung and count all mashines?
Because that'd be the interactive/visually intriguing part. Watching a spreadsheet isn't fun, watching someone walk through the office is! There's been a few videos on the main channel and Channel Super Fun where they walk through the office and talk to employees for varying reasons and that's the appealing part; they could've just done a voiceover, or read off what people said (sometimes happens) or had them sit down in a set (also sometimes happens) but those are only situational intriguing.
I guess it's all situational, and subjective, too. But that's my viewpoint on it :]
I think a better filter on people's ignorant statements around tech is going to be hard to ignore. But in the same stance of don't piss off your user base, sounding confrontational when disproving a user, is a harsh way to go about it. You can use your rebuttals in a constructive way to inform the user kindly and others, rather than out right saying the are outright incorrect.
It's all personal opinions and anonymity mashing together fueling feuds across the internet
Instead of "that's a lot of money" "that's not a lot of money" just make it "that's money" lol
I think if the first example you come up with for why server enterprise-level chips are not right for you is "they don't overclock" you've already lost the argument. It has been almost a decade since overclocking made any substantial difference that would meaningfully impact the results of productive work. There is a huge difference between a 4% increase in an artificial benchmark score and a jump in product category without paying for it because you changed a number in your software. Even when someone is fully engaged in heavy workloads it is extremely rare to find someone utilizing 100% of their 32-core server CPU or their 96-core server CPU for more than a second or two. Entire fortune 500 companies run on less computing power than that, in fact the global bank I work for rests almost entirely on a few 16 core CPUs and some virtual machines that have 250mb of memory allocated to them.
Make it floatplane exclusive
We won't agree because Linus lives in a house that probably cost 1.5 million, but all of you would look at it and say it's not worth more than 500,000 because that's the market of Vancouver and also Linus living in Vancouver needs to be more aware of these sort of things because in his neighborhood the homelessness there makes it look like district 9 with icicles
@Robb Hays The vast majority are construction workers who got hurt on the job or people who can't get help for their illnesses. The illegal drugs that the police force on society in order to keep their budgets high so they can have a high security presence are just a byproduct of these cruelties we force on people
So with 100+ppl working here you can't produce more content? You should be able to do atleast 10+ long videos / day
I have some engineering samples of rapid saphire server chips at my workplace. No, I can't benchmark it.
Maybe could be a floatplane exclusive, I feel like the audience there should be more reasonable
Is Intel not near bankruptcy?
Fuck no they're not. You don't just go from market leader for 30 years to bankruptcy in 2.
"intel xeon is saving the day"-3 weeks later "intel xeon is absolute dogcrap. The only thing it's useful for is heavy AI applications, so maybe in the future this system will be useful-but you will probably need to buy new chips then anyway. This current gen is overpriced for performance, and just has terrible performance in general". Linus let himself get hyped, which any gamer/techie should know better than to do.
I think a video totaling the cost of all IT equipment would be flexing, but what concerns me more is the extent of censorship Linus is willing to impose on his writers just because viewers voice disagreement or criticize him.
Nice Renault shirt linus!
Why does Linus wear renault logo?
1:50 ... simple, just present the facts no subjective qualifications.
But can they play Crysis?
I thought reviews were supposed to be today?
I have one thing to say about your new writing policy, Linus:
fh hgfdu habva jfgjfk hhhhhhh money.
Bro you pay too much attention to comments. No matter what people will complain
Wait, so Intel makes a HEDT product that only has support for 1 or 2 generations and it's better than AMD's 1 or 2 generation BS?
The thing is intel stay consistent when amd broke their business as always
The fact people can't remove themselves from what YOU spend for YOUR business without being butthurt says where we are today, it's pathetic.
For God's sake please survey your audience or run AB tests, stop drawing strong inferences from the comments!
Sry to hear that (money remarks)
Companies lie. It’s not mind blowing or even important
yee f you amd , got my x99 with 5820 in 2015 , was able to buy a xeon 12 core for 60euro and few year out of my system , and will still be able to get better chip donw the line , amd fx , yee no , amd thredreper no ,
DUDE WTF ... AMD RULES AND IS AFFORDABLE. INTEL ... CREEEPY WORD ... YOU KNOW WHAT INTEL MEANS RIGHT?!?!?
Proceeds to talk about everything but the new intel.
You clearly didn't watch the video
People need to stop being cheap and thinking poor. The pc hobby is expensive asf and if you cant afford it, dont get into it.
@J S What you described is learning skills and having a useful PC, not being into PCs as a hobby. The guy worded it poorly, but he likely meant enthusiasts or people with better than average tastes in terms of PC performance.
Clearly people in struggling financial situations who want to learn a new hobby and join the fun and (oftentimes) inclusive community around PC building should just (sarcastically) get real and stop thinking like a piece of filth born into poverty, and just stop being cheap.
Seriously, if someone wants to build a computer for only $100, that's a good thing. They want to learn and budget appropriately for their computer. We should help them to not just play the games at the resolutions and framerates they want, but access the internet, learn to code, run multiple operating systems, build a file server from used hard drives, anything to help them learn and join the community of PC builders.
It’s kind of hard in the present climate not to think poor.
People are paying obviously inflated prices for hardware that is not worth that much money, and hey, if it makes you happy, and you can afford it, fine.
However, it’s a fact that what was once a hobby accessible to more people is becoming less accessible again. It’s a lot like the tech hobby was in the 80s.
The 90s and early 2000s made PC hardware that was improving generation on generation by great strides, and got cheaper as that was happening.
People right now are paying $1600 for a product that gets them 30% at best more performance in real terms without all the stopgap features.